3 Things You Should Know About Windows 9

It’s that time again. Microsoft has decided to place its bets elsewhere after the bet that mobile-desktop fusions would actually pan out in the end. After suffering disappointment from public reactions to Windows 8 and its Modern/Metro interface, it’s decided to up the ante a little bit and release a completely new operating system that follows a different formula. Sometime in 2015, Microsoft will be releasing Windows 9, and we’ve got a little bit of the scoop regarding what it will look like and how it will work. It’s time to put aside whatever we may feel about Windows 8 and see what Windows 9 might have to offer.

Windows 8 was a pretty stable system with some great features, but all of that mattered little when you were greeted by the “Start screen” or, as they call it, the Modern interface. Many users did not take kindly to the system when they first tested it, and the operating system’s poor sales were a reflection of the negativity surrounding this attempt to unify mobile and desktop experiences. Microsoft made a very risky bet, and it really didn’t pan out very well after the fact.

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With Windows 9, however, it seems as if MS is rethinking its strategy and hoping to distance itself from the fallout that was its previous OS iteration. Windows 9, instead of offering both worlds at the same time, will change and adapt its interface according to whatever you’re running it on. Codenamed “Threshold”, this new operating system will detect whether you have a keyboard and mouse. If you do, you’ll be opted into the desktop experience. The absence of these peripherals (and the presence of touch-based hardware) will trigger Windows 9 to load up a mobile platform.

This has to be one of the most significant improvements to the system’s user interface. It certainly would disgruntle users much less than Windows 8 did.

Millions of people around the world were shocked to see that Windows 8 had no Start menu. It was perhaps the biggest flop in the entire operating system’s history. Microsoft recognizes that this was a mistake and has decided to bring the Start menu back in Windows 9, according to The Verge. However, this new Start menu will be just a little different. I think that an image will describe it better than words:

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In case this new menu seems a little bit confusing, I’ll explain it to you. Windows 9 is introducing a menu system in which it will show you your desktop applications on one end and your mobile applications on the other. You’ll be able to open mobile applications in a window in case you prefer that over the full-screen setup that Windows 8 had until now. This still gives it a little bit of a mobile/desktop fusion flavor, but Windows 9 doesn’t forget that you’re still running it on a desktop computer.

If you’re using Windows 8.1’s Update 2, you might not have to pay for Windows 9. Instead, it will come as a free upgrade. However, the report from ValueWalk cites a leaking group called WZOR as its source. Although it has been reliable in the past, I’d recommend you take this news with a grain of salt. It’s nothing but a rumor until Microsoft comes out and confirms or denies it.

Windows 8.1 Update 2 will be released in August. Judging by this behavior, estimates of Windows 9’s release date vary, with the earliest date being somewhere in the end of 2014. Later estimates are putting the release date somewhere in April 2015. TechRadar reports that the release date should come sooner than September 2015.

As much as I’d love to give my take on this, it is more important to see your opinion. Are you likely to purchase a copy of Windows 9? Is it worth continuing on the Windows route, or should we abandon the OS entirely for something like Mac OSX or Linux? Please post your opinion in a comment below!

91 comments

  1. I have been using win 8 since beta and have not missed the start menu one bit. There are so many positives to win 8 and 8.1 I have zero complaints. Metro on a touch screen is wicked nice and easy to use especially when your cooking in the kitchen and following along using a recipe.

    • I agree with Jason’s comments. I use Windows 8.1 but started with 8. Got a HP laptop with Win 8, bought the Windows 8 for Dummies book and read all of it several times. Never had a problem with Win 8, but it took some studying to learn it. Once I discovered the Desktop screen, I was able to load all my favorite MS Office programs and immediate become functional just like Win 7. I have been working on Windows since it came out (age 75)and I use it all the time. Also have a Linux box and having fun with that too. I will be ready for Win 9 and think we should all spend the time to learn all about all new versions. Just get all the updates and spend the time learning it.

  2. About time they brought the Start menu back. While Metro might make sense on a touch device, on a desktop system it is insanity.

  3. Like Mike, it’s about time brought the start menu back. Still feeling my way with windows 8 and here comes windows 9, but at least I will have some familiarity by using the start menu. Thanks MS” can’t wait for windows 10.

    • I decided to buy a Macbook and haven’t looked back. I still use a Windows based computer but rarely use it now. My Macbook took 17 seconds from turning on to when it was up and running and ready to use the internet. Two years later it hasn’t slowed. It never needs to be defragged on tuned, it just keeps on going. The best part is when a newer version of the operating system is released it is free. I used to wonder what all the hype was but now I’m sold. I occasionally use my Windows computer to keep my hand in.

  4. The only thing that will stop the general public from installing Windows 9 is the price, I do not like having to upgrade every year or two and having to pay extortionist prices for an operating system as there are plenty free operating systems that are perfectly OK to work with, I like Windows and if the pricing is not favourable I will change to Linux or Android who I believe have a desktop OS as well as a mobile OS or if not are working on one which are totally free. What Microsoft does not understand is that people who have to work with computers all day prefer the desktop if they are not mobile and sit at a desktop rather than a mobile phone or a laptop,

    • The cost of the software update will be comparable to previous versions. What I would like to know is whether Win 9 will require a hardware upgrade, just as Win 8.x did/does.

      What you do not understand is that M$ does not really give a damn about the users. That has been proven time and time again in the past. The latest example was Win 8. M$ decided that everybody WILL use a touch interface, whether they like it or not, whether they have the necessary hardware or not.

        • However catered it was to touchscreens, I got around with a mouse just fine. Not that Metro was a good idea, however. Its reception was absolutely horrendous, and I think I was one of the very few who wasn’t very bothered by it. Still, I had my issues with Metro.

      • M$ and Windows created the start button, and set the bar–set the standard for accessing the menu. Now everyone is familiar with it. It was precedent setting–it is the “way”. Many of the more basic Linux distributions have adhered to this “norm”, and are doing well with it. Ubuntu, with it’s Unity desktop, ventured into pioneer territory, and it found a reception very similar to M$. Ubuntu lost it’s Linux lead, and dropped to distant second. If M$ wants to revert to a hybrid menu, a mix of Metro and “norm”, go ahead. The Metro add-on is eye distraction, and is not acceptable in my view. But M$ “knows better”, and Linux knows better. If Mac is your thing, stick with it. Linux can look like Mac, too.

        But what do I know…….

    • I agree with Alistar about having to upgrade so often. They didn’t start out like that and shouldn’t assume that their users will just continue on with them and their continuous costly updates/upgrades. Maybe Gates needs to spend less on national education and concentrate more on us.

      • Also, Jan: Upgrading may be a little frustrating, but at least it will cost nothing for people with Windows 8.1 Update 2. If you have Windows 8, you don’t have to pay for Windows 9 :)

        • “Upgrading may be a little frustrating”
          How come Linux can make the upgrade process smooth and un-frustrating? After 10 or so versions, don’t you think M$ could/should have figured out how to make the upgrade process painless? Or is going through the pain of Windows upgrade a right of passge, designed to prove your machismo and geekiness?

          “but at least it will cost nothing for people with Windows 8.1 Update 2.”
          But anybody with an older Windows version or someone who just wants to try Windows will have to pay through the nose as is usual with each new Windows version. And then, of course, there is the cost of the almost mandatory hardware upgrade. Hardware which supports Win 7 and earlier, will almost certainly not support Win 9.

          OTOH, I am comfortably running the latest release of Linux on XP era hardware. This hardware will be sufficient for a few more years.

  5. I agree with Alistair – if it wasn’t for work related software that only runs on Windows, I would have switched to a free alternative, and it believe it a no brainier that most people won’t want to use a desktop like a phone or tablet. I have a new Lenovo Y50 with 8.1 that I’ve been dreading to start using because of Win8 – I wish I could have bought it with Win7, even if I have to pay to upgrade it to Win9 later.

    • Ramlon I too found Win 8 Start on a desktop unusable. I found a free program called Classic Shell which makes Win 8.1 look and behave like Windows XP as far as interface with the user is concerned. You can still have the so called “Modern Interface” if you want. Since it is on better hardware, takes advantage of Win 8 fast startup and still gives access to apps it behaves like the super XP I want. I find it increases my productivity greatly.

  6. Despite the lack of a classic menu the main prob with WIn 8 is the default use of Modern Apps to open the majority of files. People doesn’t want ‘Foto’ or ‘Music’ to open a JPG or MP3 file.
    People want a classic sizeable window with the possibility to easily reach the rest of the system, not a screen filled with a single App

  7. For me, a long term support of Linux Mint, or Ubuntu makes more sense, rather than upgrade constantly to newer Windows systems.

  8. What has been the deal with the Metro interface anyway? I’ve had Windows 8 since the beta times and not once have I used the tile stuff for anything other than clicking on the desktop tile to go straight to it. Then I downloaded the Classic Shell app and every question went away. I’m on 8.1 now and it is great.

    • Classic shell may work fine, just the way you want it to, but why should you have to resort to add-ons to make the OS functional? Firefox 28 or 29 did the same thing. They changed the customization, and then told you that add-ons would restore the original look and feel. Like Landngroove and others, I’m only holding onto Win XP and Win 7 machines for a few proprietary programs. Otherwise, Linux Mint 17 LTS is replacing older Mint versions on my other 5 machines.

  9. I’d only consider buying it if they overhaul the font rendering. It’s the worst in the game. Make it the best and I’d think about it.

  10. Once you get rid of Metro in Windows 8/8.1 the OS works. I’m not a fan of Apples (expensive) and the zillion flavors of Linux OS are just to much to keep up with.

    • “the zillion flavors of Linux OS are just to much to keep up with.”
      That is a specious argument. You would only have to keep up with one flavor of Linux, the one you would be using. Unless you are a distro hopper, in which case you don’t mind keeping up.

  11. Microsoft needs to be a lot more careful with what they change. Windows 8 / Outlook 2012
    People like things that are familiar to them. If they wanted to learn a completely new desktop … they might switch to Linux. Personally I have been in the Tech industry for more than 30 years … all the way back to CPM and UNIX. I believe the best way to move forward is offer these features as a ” turn on / Enable ” for those who want it. I seem to remember Microsoft’s own jump start training that had people that where not sure how to use some features in Windows 8 … Change is necessary for those who need the features … but unwelcomed by those who don’t and do not want to have to relearn everything….. including how to shut the system off… I hope they have learned their lesson .

    • After observing Microsoft for 30 years do you still think that they have the best interests of their users in mind?

      • Microsoft is a commercial enterprise: their focus is on making money. If that goal happens to coincide with their customers’ interests, so much the better.

  12. I have used Linux since Windows 98 was still the best Microsoft had available. Back then Linux had a strong learning curve but these days if you can use Windows 7/8 then Linux will be easy to use and understand. So I say move to a GNU/Linux OS. If you need some specific software that doesn’t work on GNU/Linux then I suggest seeing if the application is available on Mac OS X. I’ve used OS X for several years also and it is a better alternative than Windows as well. The biggest plus for me when it comes to using OS X or GNU/Linux over any Windows version is that it is close to impossible to get a virus on either of the previously mentioned systems. So you might have a learning curve to get past, in the case of GNU/Linux or a higher initial price, in the case of OS X, but you won’t have to pay a yearly fee for a decent anti-virus application like you will if you stick with a Windows OS. So I’ll suggest to your readers the same thing I suggest to all my customers. Dual boot your computer with GNU/Linux and Windows. Start to use Linux any chance you have and when you find yourself booting in to Linux and not ever having to boot into Windows for anything then you know it’s time to move away from your Microsoft OS. I also tell my customers about all the different websites out there that help with anything issue you might have with Linux, and I give them my email address so they can ask me questions if they can’t find an answer through google. Sorry, not giving out my email address here though.

    • People have to learn more, in switching to a smartphone, or a tablet, than they do learning most Linux distros. They don’t complain about that learning curve. What amazes me, is that people will shell out hundreds of $$ for the newest devices, which are often released with known bugs, and then complain about Linux not being perfect, even though it’s free. Go figure…….

  13. Oh, also GNU/Linux and Mac OS X puts out an upgrade either every 6 months or once a year and the upgrade doesn’t require that you completely wipe your hard drive and also the upgrades are completely free of charge. Yet another big plus. Even if Windows 9 is free for Windows 8 users, it will require you to wipe your hard drive more than likely and if you use Windows 7 it will cost you money. Then once Windows 10 comes out you will more than likely have to pay for that version. I can’t believe computer users are still willing to pay money to be a beta tester for Microsoft. Windows 98 = beta version of Windows 98 SE, Windows ME = beta version of Windows XP, Windows Vista = beta version of Windows 7, Windows 8 = beta version of Windows 9. This will continue to happen of people continue using Windows.

  14. In the past, MS has only supported upgrades from the previous version. Otherwise, you needed a third party resource. If MS made it possible to upgrade from WIN7 to WIN9 it would remove a large barrier for most users.

    • Not sure of the upgrade possibilities, but I think that it would be a logical step for Windows 9 to be directly upgradable from Windows 7.

  15. “If MS made it possible to upgrade from WIN7 to WIN9 it would remove a large barrier for most users.”
    But then M$ would miss out on collecting the revenue on the intervening versions. If one could update from any NT-based Windows to any succeeding one, it would remove a large barrier for most users. Unfortunately that is as likely as M$ making Windows into an Open Source operating system.

    • What distribution? I’ve been hungry to try out some new ones once I get a new 4 TB HDD :D

      • I like a version of Ubuntu it’s call Zorin the 6 version( I’m using the 6,.4 Educational 32bit) is long term support till 2017 (Ubuntu 12.04 LTS) It has a Windows type UI that is fairly easy to understand and navigate and gobs of “eye candy” options there isn’t enough room here to go over it all but once you figure it out and set it up you can amaze your friends they’ll think you’re truly a geek especialy when you switch to cube mode or make items you have open appear to burn up on the screen when you close them.

  16. I only a one problem with windows and that was to OS between windows 98 and windows xp. As for windows 8 and 8.1 it has been a great OS. I haven’t had any problems with this OS. I never had to go out and get a windows 8 for dummies book, caught on to how to move from the start screen to desktop in about 30 seconds or less. Just read the screen. I do hate that Microsoft is updating or upgrading so often though. I think Microsoft is going to have just understand they are not going to please everybody with any OS they put out. There will always be haters.

    • There will always be haters indeed. But then again, they have choices. They can migrate to free Linux OS distributions or purchase one of Apple’s fine computers. No one should have a problem with that. I just don’t understand the fanboyism. Yes, I like Microsoft, but have also been one of their biggest critics, and have also looked positively at other companies when they did the right thing.

      That’s the beautiful part of markets and technology. We have choices, and those companies that best adapt to fluctuations in consumer demand end up taking a larger slice of market share in their industries :)

  17. By any chance will Win 9 be simpler and more efficient? Or will it break all previous records for complexity and consumption of disk space, RAM, and other system resources? Will it still do so much stuff we don’t need, like running videos in tiles?

    • I think Windows 9 may be more straightforward than Windows 8. As for its simplicity, I will have to report about this when I get a developer preview copy. Just keep following MakeTechEasier. Either me or one of my fine colleagues here will cover Windows 9 further as soon as newer information reaches the surface :)

      As for running videos in tiles, I’m thinking they’re not going to go that direction anymore. And regarding memory efficiency, I suspect we’ll see more of that than has appeared in Windows 8, including upgraded task management. Anonymous sources (take it with a grain of salt) say that Windows 9 will completely streamline memory management processes to make them much more efficient. That seems to be a pipe dream, by my judgment. They can only do so much, since it’s up to application developers to stop using wrappers and APIs that bloat their software. It’s also up to the API creators to stop creating minimalist APIs that include things that programmers don’t need but still are forced to use as part of the development process.

  18. Before discussing the pros and cons on the new os, one should consider who is using the computer, what are the average age of those people starting with xp, they are mostly in their 40s or even 50s. How would you expect someone to learn something new and master it completely at that age disregard how good is the new os. That is the reason why there are so many people out there still thinking xp is the best system.
    Hardware on computers are improving every few months so one needs a new computer to handle new task or running efficiently, learning the application program is hard enough, why intensify it with unfamiliar os? Letting those old folks continue to use what the yhave known or improve a bit from what they have learned is the right marketing path for new developemnt.

    • What a genius and know it all you must be. You have no idea what life is about. Guess you will have to go into an old age home when you turn 40. That’s if you make it.
      People like you are what makes this world the disrespectful “me- me world” we live in today.
      I am sure you don’t even know how to spell respect, as you certainly don’t know how to write. I would love to see your school records.
      I guess you believe that if it can’t be “Googled” it is is not useful. The problem with that is that any half baked idea, and misdirection, can be there as well as the good.
      Many older people would run rings around you when it comes to common sense and they are certainly capable of learning.

      • I don’t think he meant to offend the elderly. There are many people like my mother who may struggle with sudden changes that require rapid adaptation to continue things like daily working routines. Then again, I met a man in his 80s who could blow through any problems on his PC, and he was using Windows 7.

        Yes, we young ‘uns (I’m a wee 26 years old) often have the perception that the elderly are helpless around computers, but then again, I’ve seen my fair share of hardcore PC enthusiasts hitting their 70s.

        • I am 78 and had no problem upgrading from Win 7 to Win 8/8.1 and no problem in using Win 8/8.1 in fact I like it

        • I started experimenting with Linux back when I was 62 or 63, I haven’t looked back, but I sure fix a lot of Windows computer problems for other people (mostly cleaning off crapware that comes bundled). I find a lot of Windows users are like the proverbial “blonde” and really don’t know how to do much other than surf and check e-mail. I don’t include the hard working corporate Windows users in this description.

  19. I hate IPads, Cell Phones, etc. I have had a desktop computer since Windows 95. I loved the windows all the way up to and including windows XP, with the exception of Vista. They were simpler to use. I am retired and when I leave home I do not even carry a cell phone. It really irritates me to be waking down the street and seeing most people on an IPad or a cell phone. They have no time for anything else. One of my friends was killed when his son was driving and texting at the same time and had a head on collision with another car. It sure is a different world today. By the way, if you have not guessed as I am typing this I am 81 years old!!!!!!

    • I couldn’t agree more Robert, and I’m a few decades younger than you. People seem unable to tear themselves away from screens, and smartphones and tablets have allowed the online world to almost permanently intrude on the real world. I live in London and, from people on the top of buses who never look out of the window, to people at concerts filming the screens without even looking at the flesh and blood artists in front of them to people walking down the street glued to their device (expecting others to get out of their way), there is a whole generation here that don’t seem to be properly present in this world any more.

  20. The anti-W8 movement really needs to get over itself!
    Of course removing the Start Button was a mistake! Of course M$ is too arrogant to admit it! I’m just sick of reading it.
    Install http://www.classicshell.net/ and you’re magically back in W7 Land, but a little more stable.
    You want to talk about crap operating systems, lets’ reminisce about ME and Vista … truly horrible systems that should have been replaced free of charge, but weren’t.

  21. People in their 40s and 50s are not old these days, and certainly not incapable of grasping how a new OS works – any more than anyone else.

    Some of the comments above claim that you won’t be able to upgrade from Win 7 to 9. Do you mean you won’t be able to do that fro free, or you won’t be able to do that at all? The latter would be ridiculous.

  22. I’m sticking with Windows 7 Ultimate until I see and hear what Windows 9 is like! I have no real need for anything newer – I like what I got in this version; no problems and easy to use! Back in the early days, (when I was building my own computers as a hobby, from parts at all the computer shows around), I had to have the biggest and the best!), it was worth it to get the latest version of Windows. I’ve had every version of the Windows platform since Windows 3), but now… I see no real reason to keep getting newer & newer versions – not yet anyway?!

  23. 1. First, if it’s your intention to buy a new computer, go with Apple and once you learn the uniqueness of it, you’ll wonder why you didn’t do it years ago. About a year ago I went with my first Apple computer and I do wonder why I waited so long. 95% or more of my computing is done on it but I still have a Windows PC desktop and a Dell laptop running Linux that I turn on regularly just to let them update. (see 2 for Linux comments and 3 for Win 8.1 comments).

    2. If you want to keep your existing computer, desktop or laptop, go with Linux. Not only is it free, but you will find it requires very little effort to move right into full use without missing a beat. I ‘salvaged’ a Dell laptop (XP OS) my son had that was heading for the trash and I installed a Linux OS on it. I installed Linux, Ubuntu by Zorn. The Zorn group made a distinct effort to make the system work as near to what XP users were accustomed to as possible and I personally think they did a great job. The computer was so much faster and, it is like getting a new one. The system I installed comes with an Office Suite that is compatible with Word, Excel and PowerPoint. It also installs with Chrome but there are other browsers you can download and use should you want to.

    3. Not wanting to trash my Dell desktop because XP support was expiring, I took advantage of an offer for Win 8 (I believe it was a pre-release price promotion) which I thought was cheap enough to take a chance on, certainly much less than later pricing was (is). I had also ran a program from M$’s website that would determine if my computer would run Win 8 or not; fortunately mine passed. Win 8 installed without a hitch, but as they pre-warned, everything was wiped free from the hard drive. The programs I used I was able to reinstall and the peripherals I had and wanted, I went to the company website and downloaded a Win 8 driver. Perhaps having recently converted to using an Apple computer, learning the basics of Win 8 didn’t seem that difficult or maybe it was knowing not to expect it to work like XP; needing to just take the time to learn what did work. Like so many have said, it gets old having to buy a new Windows OS every couple years (if you want to stay current with the latest from M$), so I have no intention of buying a new Windows OS or a computer with a Windows OS on it). Without doubt, either Apple or Linux is the way to go.

  24. I heard so many negative remarks about Window 8 that, as a former IT tech, I did not jump on the Windows 8 bandwagon.
    My husband still had a desktop with Windows XP and we decided to buy him a HP Laptop with Windows 8.1 when support for XP ended. I played around with it and LOVED it. So we bought another HP Laptop, I also still had a ThinkPad running Windows 7 and a desktop with Windows XP. I have not looked back since.
    No big learning curve and I love the Metro tiles and the desktop is so easy that I don’t even miss the Start Menu.
    Start Menu? What Start Menu? You can put an App for your program on the Metro or put a Shortcut on your desktop.
    Never needed a book and instead read a few articles on short cuts on the internet. Don’t know what took me so long.

  25. I like the idea of the start menu coming back. I am a desktop user and don’t plan on a smart phone, lap top or tablet. There is too much technology. I worked for the first company in my home town who had a CRT and keyboard hooked up to a main frame. I started working before cash registers had chip or even cars. Unless you need it for work, you don’t need it. You don’t know how to talk to people any longer, you don’t know how to write a letter without abbreviations and you don’t look into people’s eyes when you talk. I worked int IT and other than fun, and that does not mean playing games, but keeping up with friends and children, I am done with technology. It has it’s place but it is taking over, ruining and will be the destruction of the world. Sorry, that is the way I feel because I have been there from the beginning almost.

  26. I’ve been using Windows 7 for three years and would seriously dread downgrading to Windows 8. With Windows 9, I will have something optimistic to look forward to.

  27. Same old ugly minimalist look; if I wanted everything drab and square with little white pictures, I’d use Win3.1. I’ll stick with Win7 for as long as possible. Minimalism is simple: less is less.

  28. I refuse to have Win8 on any computer in my office or home. We will use Win7 until Microsoft comes to its senses and provides a useful upgrade for a BUSINESS environment. I believe Win7 will continue to be viable for the next 10 years, like XP, for those who use a computer for BUSINESS and choose their operating system because of the software they use, not some ideology.

  29. Having previously used Windows 98, XP and Vista, I absolutely loved Windows 7 and would never have upgraded to Windows 8 by choice. But when HP replaced my computer with a new Windows 8 one last year, two days later I decided to install my Windows 7 retail version on it, as a dual boot. But I had to find out how to disable Secure Boot before my legitimate retail (not OEM) disk would even run! That was and still is one feature of Windows 8 that really infuriated me: How dare MS make it more difficult for me to run installation disks ON MY OWN SYSTEM!!!

    I then proceeded to install Windows 7 on a separate partition but it didn’t install properly, due to the different boot system or whatever. I tried to find out how to get round this but gave up after a few days. Since then, I have been using Windows 8 and then Windows 8.1 but even with the addition of Start Menu 8, I would go back to Windows 7 in a heartbeat if I could!

    As for Linux, I tried Ubuntu-12.04.4 on a different PC for a few weeks and I found that even more of a learning curve then Windows 8! I also disliked its uninspiring, plain desktop and although I could choose a new background for it, I couldn’t work out how to create a quick access ‘task bar’. Neither could I work out how to use grub(?their version of command prompt) to make it recognise my Linux compatible wireless dongle. But the most annoying part of Ubuntu was the fact that it made my Windows 7 PC boot into Ubuntu by default and I couldn’t work out how to change that either, so I had to sit there while it was booting in order to boot into Windows!

    Conclusion: if I can’t install Windows 7 on my current PC because of its different boot system or whatever, then I will have to upgrade to Windows 9 when it launches, in the hope that it’s better than Windows 8.

    • “Neither could I work out how to use grub(?their version of command prompt)”
      GRUB is a boot manager, not a command line prompt.

      • Sorry dragonmouth et al, it was quite a while ago since I tried Ubuntu so I can’t remember (and don’t really care) what their version of command was called now!

    • You fell into a trap. Many people have heard of Ubuntu, and thought that was the one and only Linux. Ubuntu was good in it’s early days, but Mark Shuttleworth wasn’t happy with that. He followed (or maybe preceeded M$) with a different desktop that people disliked. I dropped Ubuntu completely and went for Debian/Ubuntu derivatives that are so much like Windows, but simpler and cleaner (no viruses, no defragmenting, no nagging updates). Linux offers updates, most of which are program improvements, some security updates, but they don’t take over your machine.

  30. If this is what Windows 9 will turn out to be, then I may indeed try it. I’ve skipped getting Windows 8 (and I’ve been using every new version that came out since I first was able to afford a PC) because (a) after the debacle of Vista, Windows 7 was working just fine for me and (b) the emphasis towards touch screen devices.

    I have a very basic runs-Android mobile phone. I don’t have a touch screen PC. I don’t have any other touch screen devices. I don’t even have a laptop, much less a tablet. I’m a dinosaur. So even for Windows 8, all that would have been okay, had it not been for the whole “dump the Start menu, dump the desktop” introduction.

    Where Microsoft fell down and lost a lot of customers and potential customers, I think, was that they tried to do two things at once: launch Windows 8 and on the back of it, launch their own Surface tablet.

    They forgot that they’re not Apple. Nobody buys Microsoft hardware, they have everything from build-it-yourself to bought in the chain PC shop to own-brand mp3 players to cheapest you can afford smart phones. Then they run Windows on their device.

    So lobbing in a new OS that was a huge difference in the interface to all the ones that had come before with the addendum “If you REALLY want to get the best out of it, buy our new tablet; no, don’t think about running it on any old tablet you might have already, buy this one new!” was a step too far.

    Not alone were the customers being asked to pay out for the new Windows 8, they were being arm-twisted into buying a new device to run it on, and never mind what devices they already owned and used. That was a big lay-out of cash to expect during an economic downturn.

  31. I run 8.1, it’s a joy to use. I only see the Metro screen when I power down.

    Start button? Not needed. Programs I use regularly, task bar. Any others I need, Win Button, spell it (usually just the first 2 letters bring it up), hit enter it’s done

    Win X all the computer admin I need. (Just in case I keep a God Mode folder on the Desktop)

    I have been using windows since windows 3, this is my favourite.

    I have a Mac in the house, I have an iPad, I have an old PC running Linux.

    I actually don’t care what OS I am using, whatever it is, I adapt it to my needs and then get on with the important stuff of getting work done on it

  32. I have windows 8.1 update on both my desktop and laptop and I’d say they’re fine. No reason to downgrade. I have to add all of my useful folders and shortcuts on start itself though.

    I wouldn’t recommend windows 7 users to upgrade however since it is like learning how to walk again in a computer with windows 8. To Windows 8 users, get the 8.1 update 1 NOW! Those 8.1 update 1 users, stick with it. Tame it like a wild horse.

  33. I have two computers attached to a 23″ and 27″ monitor respectively. My is connected to the 27″ screen and my ultrabook to the 23″ screen. I’m running Windows Pro on both. If MS thinks that I’m going to fork out big bucks for a large touchscreen they’re crazy. Granted Windows 8 has better security than Windows 7 – I’d like that but they’re following their usual pattern from way back. Windows SE was great for its time so they came out with a loser in Windows ME. Windows XP Pro was great for its time so they came out with Vista. Windows 7 was a massive step forward so they came out with another non-selling loser in Windows 8.x. Some people bitch about the lack of a Start button and I basically agree there but it’s not the biggie. Where’s Control Panel – that’s the biggie. Basically they need an interface somewhat like Windows 7 with the security of Windows 8.1 or 8.2. My Google Nexus 10 gives me the touchscreen and that’s fine for a small screen – my case has a typewriter and a small plastic thing with a soft rubber head that lets me push with more precision than my finger. That’s all I need with a tablet – the GN 10 has free Android updates for life and unbelievable clarity with a 2560 * 1600 resolution. Let’s hope that Microsoft doesn’t confuse mainstream OSs with tablet OSs. Uniformity is not desirable.

  34. Thanks for all the insight on the OS’s I just did an upgrade from XP PRO to Win 7 of course through the benefit of Vista (I read that Win 7 was SP3 for Vista).

    I understand now why so many users switch to Apple computers and never look back…..

    Maybe I will listen to my daughters and not look at Win 9 or 10 or 11 or 12 or …… I do not know how long I will resist not to get an Apple computer . I do not want to…

    Thanks all!

  35. You know there is people that will bitch about the sky being, too blue today, in this world!

    I’ve been with MS since DOS twin floppy days and yes, they have made lots of mistakes and yes to keep-up may bankrupt you but let me tell you this world runs on Windows!! Everybody it seems have an OS these days after MS did all the pioneering & development through years of trial and error, mistakes and all.

    I hated Win98 with a passion with all it’s BSoD’s, tried to go somewhere else, it was worse, Linux had no support (involved) & Apple seriously expensive and ran only their software, etc. etc. Then the invention of the wheel XP, it worked. Some of the bitchers went back to 98 style menu etc. but me, myself & I, we never looked back, a breeze!!

    If Win9 will be even faster than 8 bring it on because since 7 it just works!!! Games, movies, photos, internet, editing, music, recording, printing, cameras, phones, sticks, mobile drives, usb1, 2, 3, fire wire, hdmi, wireless, man everything, I must teach the thing to do coffee and it will be more than perfect! Even have it’s own anti-virus anti-spam software. The point I am trying to make is that with Windows it works and if it does not they will help you until it does. MS has done a good job till now if we consider all the virus attacks from all over they had to withstand which makes your development so much harder but thorough.

    MS you started to listen to your users, keep up the good work!!

  36. As a home user for 12 years, desktop not laptop, mouse and keyboard,non work applications, it took about 2 weeks to find my way around Win 8 (from XP) and about 6 months to really begin enjoying Win 8. Now we love it. It’s awesome. So much better than XP. .Win 8.1 on wife’s new Dell is wonderful. Am not ready for another New program unless it makes these desk tops even faster and even easier to recover from (usually) self inflicted glitches. and / or makes the morning coffee, takes out the trash and walks the dog. My first Dell with XP lasted 10 years.
    Our new Dells should last just as long using the current op system 8/8.1..Can’t buy a new op system every year and still pay for Obama Care and Brighthouse cable internet service.

  37. I love win 8.1, never liked the metro screen, as I have a PC. I found I like the start menu, so I put one in and have never looked back. Looking forward to win 9, a challenge for the over sixty group.

  38. I fit in the over 60 Group. I have numerous computers and work on the internet daily. I will stay with Version 7 on my Desktops and Laptops except for the one Asus T100T Transformer that I purchased to learn the Windows 8 OS. If Windows 9 will be available to UpGrade Windows 8 so I can use my Microsoft Office Products 2010 then I will purchase it.

  39. I will stick with Windows 7 Pro until such time as my computer gives up. It’s 5 years old so it won’t be long. At that point I will move to a Mac.

  40. Whatever version of windows you use….
    I wish that Microsoft would allow the users to customize the OS to what they need and/or use.
    When you load up Windows there are a gazillion programs that load also.

    When you install Windows from scratch they should give you a list of applications and what they do and ask if you want them installed or not. There are programs running and using memory and CPU power that are not used by a majority of users. If they were not installed the computers would not only load faster but would run faster as well.

    This would increase the original instalation time, but would pay for itself in time saved later on.

    Just like other sofware, when you install the disk it asks….

    Full feature (recomended)
    or
    Custom (pick what features you want)

    I’ve done Google searches on aplications on my computer and most if not all I have never used and probably never will. They all take up time, space and memory/CPU allocations. Some are required for other things to use. Let the user decide for his or her self.

    • Most/almost all of the stuff windows is having to load is put there by the user. There are free start up apps to help you eliminate them.

  41. My biggest complaint about Windows 8 was that they left out a few really good features in Wn 7. Particularly the way you navigate through Outlook and other Office Apps. There are also annoying fundamental changes. But once you get used to it, they are easy to sort out. There are a lot of good workflow improvements in 8 over 7. I now use Win 7 and 8 across multiple devices and I’m now over the annoyances. If what you say is true about Win9 fetaures then they are on the right track. As for going back to iOS, forget it. I chucked away the iPad becuase as a serious business tool it is a waste of time. My Surface 2 running 8.1 is just a magnificant tool for business on the go and general tablet type work. Never return to the dark side I’m afraid. Windows OS also is what it is and you have to put up with the normal MS crap but the system for business is streets ahead of Apple, and overall quite stable. Look Apple is what it is if you work with pix, movies, and music it’s a great tool, but anything else is really not up to scratch. WIndows App Store is still a ways behind where iTunes App store is still, but it’s gaining daily. If MS developers concentrated more on business apps than stupid games and useless timewasting Apps, they could develop a very loyal following in the high end tablet market for the business sector.

  42. I’ve always thought that Metro is basically a start menu just better. More customizable and prettier.

  43. To me the problem with Windows 8 isn’t the fact it changed, it’s the fact it did it too suddenly. Face it, no one like’s change, and if you’ve been using something for years a sudden change will be problematic.

    Take the change from XP to Vista it had some big differences but it also had a lot of familiarity. If they had kept the start menu but brought the Metro start screen to they may have been able to later take the menu out with people already used to the start screen but by taking something as big as the start menu out suddenly it caused backlash.

    Like quite a few people, I have no issue with the start menu gone as the new metro screen is just the same if better but most people don’t like the idea so don’t see if they can get used to it.

    The only other big issue for windows 8 was the fact it focused too much on tablet/mobile users but windows 8.1 update 1 fixed that in my opinion.

  44. I purchased Windows 8.1 in April because I was forced to do so by Microsoft’s decision to stop supporting Windows XP. Although I understand that they can’t support an operating system indefinitely, so many people are using that operating system, and they could have won public support by charging a small monthly fee for maintenance to anyone who wants to keep XP. Thus, they would have reimbursed themselves for the cost of maintenance, until the number of users dwindled down by choice. I understand that Windows 8 is a nice stable operating system, but the interface is so atrocious that I resorted to using this operating system in Desktop mode, but it was a very long waste of my time to get my Desktop to be set up the way that I wanted it. I’m glad they are planning the new Windows 9 operating system, but my opinion of Microsoft products is quite low now, and I plan on migrating to Apple in the future.

  45. Have used MS since 3.1 I am not a computer geek or even a power user. Just use computer for needed programs. I always let others test drive new OS releases and have avoided the duds. Had to go to win 7 because XP was not being supported. Will I buy 9, NO simply because I have no reason to. Will I switch to other brand, NO simply because I do not want have to waste time learning a new system. I did try open office and hated having to learn a new language and having issues getting the desired result. In short, I am one of the general public that wishes programmers would learn K.I.S.S. KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!!

  46. I’ve been using MS since Win95, and stuck with it all the way to Vista. When my Vista hard drive died after only a few years, I wound up reverting back to my old backup WinXP. I’d missed Win7 and the only OS to be found was Win8, which I refused to touch. I like being able to organize my files in my own way, and the chaotic garbage dump MS made of Win8 repulsed me so much I chose to go without rather then go with Win8.
    Currently I do everything with the MacBook I used in college. IF Win9 removes the tiled garbage dump of an interface and brings back what made Windows so useful in the first place, I’ll consider going back.

  47. What I would like to know, is where is God Mode in Window 8. As long as I’ve got that, I can do just about anything with the operating system.

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